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Post by admin on Jul 11, 2012 12:57:36 GMT -5
So here’s what we know so far , it order to start the process , 2/3 majority of council have to be on board , when that time comes and it will as this thread your reading is like a train , you can slow it down but you cant stop it from reaching it’s destination , as time goes on , more and more people will be jumping on board and the rest is thy say , history . So when council does the right thing as the horns are redundant and there for not needed in this particular situation , it will start the process to enact a whistle cessation by-law . more soon..
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Post by admin on Jul 16, 2012 17:11:12 GMT -5
The first response from Ward 4 Rod Boynton rboynton@innisfil.ca
Thank you for your email Mr Sikora. I will answer your question with the following. I have always, and will always, base my decisions on what's best for the residents of Innisfil, their safety and their future. Liability is definitely a large factor, but it's secondary to the prevention of death and dismemberment of the hundreds of people who use the crossings everyday and night. It is "my choice" to vote for the safety of this community. I wish you well, as you make the choices that you need to for a healthy future, all the best .
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Post by admin on Jul 17, 2012 5:12:03 GMT -5
Thank you for your Email Mr Boynton .
I take it your taking the high road and using death and dismemberment as some form of guilt trip respectfully for area residence wanting the horns silenced from the 3rd line on down to Gilford Rd , I will remind you Sir that at one time the horns were a good idea as not all crossings had arms bells and lights , however thy do now making the horns redundant . I can see sir that you’re a ward 4 councillor , north end of Alcona , that’s an indication to me that these blowing horns 282 times every 7 days when passing Gilford doesn’t concern you in your daily life, however it does local Gilford area residence especially with the new weekend service were a train blows there horns passing Gilford at 1:30am , you seem to think that is ok.
You comment is respected however as your not local to Gilford and want to paint the whole of Innisfil with the same paint brush , it is felt your comment is self serving and not in the best interest Of the community of Gilford .
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Post by admin on Jul 17, 2012 7:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by admin on Jul 17, 2012 9:23:57 GMT -5
Ward 1 Doug Lougheed dlougheed@innisfil.ca
Hello Peter:
First I wish to say that I am sympathetic to your situation as I believe all of the rest of council are. As it stands now I believe the Town, thru our Director of Development, is still required by motion of council to engage Metrolinx and Transport Canada as to whether there is a reasonable site specific solution/option can be achieved . Hopefully some middle ground can be achieved, but that remains to be seen.
It is my understanding, however, that variations from the Canadian Rail Operation Rules (whistles rule 14 (i) & (ii)) will require among other things significant safety improvements at the involved crossings (at Town’s expense) and an assumption of liability, thereby relieving Metrolinx, among other requirements which may be imposed following a site analysis.
That being said if a reasonable solution which benefit’s the Gilford area, while not posing unreasonable costs and unreasonable potential liability on the Town, or unreasonably compromises the risk to the public – I certainly am in favour of that. Anything other than that I would have to know what is exactly on the table both in costs, risk, and the overall implications to the town etc. before I can reasonably assess my position. Unfortunately the issue is more complicated than yeah or nay on whistles.
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Post by admin on Jul 17, 2012 9:26:58 GMT -5
Thank you for your return email Mr Longheed The issue is in fact not that complicated as I have done all the home work for the town as well as posted videos for town councillors to better understand what is going on here in Gilford with the offending horn blowing from the 3rd line down to Gilford Rd . Please have a look as it makes for some good reading as well as being educated at the same time . cooksbayfishingboard.com/index.cgi?board=walk&action=display&thread=6854On a last note My Longheed , when you say whistles that makes me think of a little old man pulling on a string that goes tot tot . perhaps you get the same image in your head , now use the word horn and what do you think of? Me I think of someone leaning on the car horn , substantially different im sure you can appreciate . Lets call them for what thy really are and that is horns blowing , respectfully. Trusting your keeping kool peter
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Post by admin on Aug 14, 2012 5:29:29 GMT -5
9 emails went out to Town of Innisfil councillors as well as the mayor , only 3 replies , disappointing but understandable as this can be a voting issues at the next election . We move on , interested parties have put together a potation that’s been circulated around town , there’s about 200 names on it now , in time it will be submitted and will go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 7:11:51 GMT -5
Man oh man Peter . After reading some of the replies you have got over the years from that council it makes a person even wonder if they live there or where they get their brains from . I think they are hardwired to their rear ends . TD
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Post by wayreport009 on Apr 18, 2013 9:03:31 GMT -5
You can't it is all about being safe they have to do it with the horns what happens if I am able to walk outside by maysalf and I am blind I need to be able to hear it , not trying to be rude but I need what ever you are on just to and yes had read the whole thing, just to understand why you are trying to take safety a way from all. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Ian on Apr 18, 2013 9:42:25 GMT -5
On a side note thou, being a train fan/3d modeller of them etc., the "whistle" posts and the term whistle comes from the old steam trains, they didn't have horns back then on the engines. Those where actually higher pitched than these horns now adays. Could be heard for about the same distance thou, depending on ambient temperatures and weather conditions. Most times thou if the crossings are gated there are "NO Whistle" zones unless its an emergency or the gates have not come down and has been reported as such.
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Post by peter on Apr 18, 2013 11:37:29 GMT -5
Perhaps I can help you understand , based on your what if question , the answer to that would be , you would hear the bells sound when the arms drop . Some of us are in favour of eliminating the horns that precede the bells . We feel the horns are redundant .
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Post by wayreport009 on Apr 18, 2013 14:43:14 GMT -5
Its all about safety not if it pees you off when you are trying to have dinner.
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Post by peter on Apr 19, 2013 5:46:46 GMT -5
I’m in total agreement with you on safety , Watch this video and let me know if you think the horns are needed
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Post by Ian on Apr 19, 2013 6:35:23 GMT -5
Throw this out at you thou, some thieves in the night come along and take the copper wiring for the signal relay from the rail head detector for the wheels. The gates don't know that a train is approaching, some family blissfully unaware and the rest is a sad tragedy. However there are parts of the GO Transit line down on the Unionville line that pass thru residential zones in Scarborough, that the crossings are "NO Whistles" as pictured here Kennedy Road, South of Finch Ave. area all houses both sides of tracks. I think thou the gates maybe longer to cover both sides of roadway, so no one "scoots" around them.
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Post by peter on Apr 19, 2013 7:50:28 GMT -5
No the gates wouldent know the train is coming however central office would instantly be a wear if any tampering at any signal on the line .
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Post by woodsman on Apr 19, 2013 10:08:53 GMT -5
No the gates wouldent know the train is coming however central office would instantly be a wear if any tampering at any signal on the line . Peter that is just not the case. The only way they would know the signals are not working is if someone phoned in a report.
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Post by peter on Apr 19, 2013 10:48:44 GMT -5
Id have to disagree with you . Trains do not proceed if signalling devices are not activated . Thy get a red signal on the line indicating them to stop before reaching the crossing . A yellow proceed with caution will be given only when the problem has been identified and corrected.
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Post by Ian on Apr 19, 2013 12:46:29 GMT -5
Signals are part of CTC control, crossings thou are not registered on the system. If a fault is on the power line, the gates may come down earlier than normal and stay down way after the trains have passed.
This was actually on the Barrie Line you can see at 1:47 the lights on the foreground gate are not alternating but flickering abit from the load error. The rail fan called it in and was fixed after sometime in the evening.
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Post by admin on May 9, 2013 17:55:37 GMT -5
GO whistle meeting May 16
Experts will explain options for Gilford, Lefroy residents
Gilford-area residents will have a chance to air their opinions at a public meeting being held on Thursday, May 16 in the Lefroy Banquet Hall, above the arena, at 1354 Killarney Beach Rd. starting at 6:30 p.m.
Town staff and representatives from Metrolinx, which operates GO Transit, will be on hand to hear concerns about the train whistle operation at the pair of Gilford crossings that are less than one kilometre apart.
The technical and regulatory issues regarding blowing whistles at level crossings, and having them stopped, will be explained.
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Post by admin on May 11, 2013 1:36:37 GMT -5
Council has the option to direct staff to begin the process to enact a whistle cessation by-law and follow the steps as outlined above and as attached to this report.
It takes 2/3 majority of counsel to start the ball rolling to eliminate the train horns for good . 3rd line , 2nd line , Shore Acers (89) and Gilford Rd is the offending area for the community and that’s what will concentrate on .
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